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87. Healing Relationships, One Poem at a Time | My Conversation with Navreet Pabla

• Jennifer Noble, ACC | Certified Relationship, Dating, NLP, & IAT Coach • Episode 87

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Have you ever wished your heart could put words to the things you’ve never been able to say out loud?

In this conversation with bestselling author Navreet Pabla, we explore her book If My Heart Could Talk—a stunning collection of poems that speaks to the places in us that long for healing, honesty, and coming home. From mother and father wounds to inner child repair, we talk about how poetry can open doors in relationships that ordinary words can’t. Navreet even pulls an oracle card for the collective that lands exactly where so many of us need it: practice freedom, release the weight of judgment.

You might want to listen if:
• You’ve struggled with feeling “too much” or “not enough” in relationships
• You carry mother or father wounds that still impact your love life today
• You want to reconnect with your inner child and honor her light
• You feel weighed down by judgment and crave more freedom in your choices
• You’re looking for simple but powerful tools to heal attachment wounds and strengthen self-worth

About Our Guest:

Navreet Pabla is a bestselling author, poet, and copywriter whose words weave healing, honesty, and self-discovery. Her debut poetry collection, If My Heart Could Talk, invites readers into a journey through mother and father wounds, inner child repair, boundaries, anger, and self-worth. With a background in writing and a deep love for Oracle decks and intuitive storytelling, Navreet blends artistry with vulnerability, offering poetry that feels like both a mirror and a medicine. She shares her work on Instagram at @navreet.pabla, where her uplifting reels, readings, and reflections inspire women around the world to reconnect with their hearts and step into their light.
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SPEAKER_01:

Hello, and welcome to Speak Honest. I am your host and certified relationship coach, Jennifer Noble. It has been my passion for over a decade to help women like you heal. What's been holding you back from having the relationship you deserve? Are you struggling with a relationship where you can't seem to voice your emotions, needs, and boundaries without having it blow up in your face? Then you have found the right podcast, my friend. Get ready for practical tips, empowering truths, and honest conversations. Now, let's dive in. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Speak Honest. I am Jen Noble, your go-to relationship coach. And on today's podcast, I am so excited to have the beautiful, wonderful, best-selling author, Navri Pabla, on my podcast today. I'm so excited, you guys, I'm gonna get to her in one second. But before we get started, I just want to remind you that if something in today's conversation fills you up, if you start listening to these poems that Navrit has written and it's stirring up something inside of you, and you need to have a place to reach out, to talk about it more, then I invite you to come and join our free Facebook community. Just go to Speak Honest, Secure Communication for Women on Facebook. You'll see it with the two cute little orange hearts on there. We want to have you in our community and we want to continue on in this conversation because what we're talking about today doesn't stop here. It continues on. It touches a part of your soul, a part of your heart. And you need to have other women to be able to talk to about this. So we want you to come into the Facebook group, talk with us more, and that's how we can get you together with all of these beautiful women. Now, with all of that said, I do want to introduce Navrit today. She has written this most beautiful book. It's called If My Heart Could Talk. It is a collection of poems that takes you through a journey of strengths, boundaries, anger, and self-worth. Oh, it's just, it's such a beautiful book, you guys. I can't wait for you to see it. But Navrit, please feel free to say hi, tell us a bit about yourself. Just welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_00:

Ah, yes. Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here. And I'm just thinking, like, add me to that Facebook group. That sounds amazing. And I really hope the conversation and the things we get into today like contribute to all that. So I'm very excited and thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, thank you so much for coming on. Now tell me a little bit more about when did you start feeling like you wanted to write this book?

SPEAKER_00:

I had a dream, and I think this dream was in February, like a literal dream in February. And I remember in this dream getting handed a book, and I remember seeing the name on it, but then when I woke up, I forgot the name. So then it got me thinking, like, what does that mean? Why did I kind of know the name? Like, I feel like it's running somewhere in my subconscious that name that was actually on that book. And who knows, maybe it was actually this. Like, I don't know. So that drove me on this whole journey of like, okay, does that mean I'm supposed to write a book? And the title is my book. And I've written, you know, I'm a copywriter, I'm also a published author, but only ebooks. This is my first physical copy. So I always knew I wanted to one day create something and put something together, whether it was a journal, Oracle decks. I love Oracle Dex. But the a book, like a book is just so timeless.

SPEAKER_01:

It is so timeless. And it looks so beautiful, you holding it up like that. If anyone, if you're on the listening podcast, Nevery's holding up her book. It's got this beautiful heart right in the center. If my heart could talk. And Neverie, if your heart could talk, what does it want to say? What is the book telling us?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, it's sort of a love letter to you, to your own self. And you know, while I was writing this, I was really inspired by oracles. I have amazing oracle decks. I went to events to promote this book, and at those events I did oracle readings. And that's sort of what the feel that I wanted for this book as well. So, yes, there are five different sections in here. So, starting with dear mother, dear father, dear inner child, dear ancestors, dear heart. But at the same time, like if you just open up to any page, I want that to be the message that you need to hear right in that moment. So I knew I wanted that in mind. So if my heart could talk, it would say this book is kind of your own little textbook and journey. I know it's a poem book, but it's just so much more than that. And I really hope that whoever finds this is able to see something within themselves. Maybe something comes up, maybe there is a healing moment or a healing experience that was waiting, but we just needed that little activation. And I find there's nothing more activating than words. Words are just so powerful. And if they have that right frequency to it, like you can learn a lot. So thank you for that question. It it got me thinking as well.

SPEAKER_01:

That's beautiful. I love that. And because it's a book of poetry, basically, there is no like start or end. It's not, you know, it's not like the book I'm writing, which has chapters and a how-to and make sure you go in order or else you know you're gonna mess it all up. Instead, this is like you said, it's almost as if you're picking up an Oracle deck and you're flipping through. And you could just be like, okay, today I'm gonna flip through the pages. I'm gonna see which poem needs to speak to me. And that's what I love most about it because as I was going through it, I felt some of the poems were so powerful, especially in the inner child section. And maybe because those are the ones that I needed in that moment. I felt like, oh my gosh, these are so, so powerful. But actually, I want to back up real quick because I have a lot of listeners, and I realize you and I are talking as if we know what an Oracle deck is, like everybody does. Can you explain to some of my listeners that are like, what the hell is an Oracle deck, Jen? Because I only found out about them maybe a couple years ago, and now I am addicted and obsessed, and I'm also creating one myself or to match my book. So I'm so excited. Yes, oh, we'll have to talk about this like later as to what to do as well. Because I love these decks. Yeah, this is so good. So give me an explanation. Talk to me as if I don't know what an Oracle deck is. What is one?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. So I just pulled these two here. This is the Inner Child Deck by Amanda Lynn Isling and the Sacred Creators Oracle deck by Chris Ann. So there's so many. I get mine at Indigo, but you know, you can find so many unique ones all over the place. And they're essentially cards that have messages on them. And yeah, I feel into the energy, and usually cards flip out. I don't know, Jen, if you have a better explanation. I'm sure you do, but this is just how my practice has been with Oracle.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, like just that. You're shuffling and a card just popped out, didn't it? It did. Like you didn't do that on purpose. Like you're just shuffling and a card just popped out. You're gonna be shocked by the card as well. Can I share it? Please.

SPEAKER_00:

It says, You are living poetry.

SPEAKER_01:

See, guys, like it's energy, I'm telling you. Oh my gosh, I love that. You are living poetry. Oh my goodness. It just wanted to pop out and tell you that right now. So I had a friend who taught me how to do cards like that. So I'd never done these before. And she was like, Yeah, she just shuffles. And as she's shuffling, she just waits for something to kind of pop out. Because if you ever shuffle in a deck, you know, you kind of make a mistake or you mess up, but you know, and like something pops out. If it's not working, if I'm shuffling and like it's I'm impatient and it hasn't come out, I'll just like kind of cut the deck and I'll find one. Oh, okay. Yeah. But oftentimes, yeah, I'll just be shuffling and I'll do it very loosely and then I'll just wait for something to pop out, as we saw with Neverie. And then something pops out of it, and then you feel it, and you're like, oh my gosh, what is this trying to tell me? Now, for me personally, I don't believe necessarily, and this is just my belief, that it is like some bigger thing. I don't think it's like, I don't know how to explain it. I'm I'm like this woo-woo sciencey woo-woo person, if it makes any sense. Where it's like, I don't really believe that like someone is trying to give me a message. But what I do believe for me is that I could create meaning in that card at any time. And so, but like then, then you have a card pop out that talks about poetry, and now I don't know what I think anymore. But how is it for you? How do you really use these cards? Do you feel them internally? Do you journal about it? Tell me a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00:

Recently, I have just been doing cards for others. So, whether going live on Instagram or making videos and kind of just doing more of a collective read. I have to be honest, I have not been using them as much as I would like because they have been great guidance, especially when I was writing my book. This is another thing that you know I loved, I will forever cherish my own journey that I've had with my own decks. Like it's just a form of art, like anything else. That's how I view it and approach it. Like, this is art. The fact that we just had you are living poetry, like I think even using cards is in itself an art form. And like you said, you get to apply the meaning to it, and that's what is art, that's what is your art. So while I was writing the book, you know, there were many, many moments because it was a tough book to write, I'm gonna be honest. So there were many moments where I'm writing, I should be writing from my heart, but it doesn't feel that way. Like, of course, I want to embody the things I'm saying, and when I write this, I want it to have that same energy where I am writing from my heart, and it's supposed to be like from my heart to your heart. So that was really difficult. I had to take pauses and be like, okay, this is getting too much. Let me just take a break.

SPEAKER_01:

Talk me through that difficult moment, if you don't mind sharing. Like, what was difficult about it for you? What was it? Was it your mind, your body, your heart? Like, what was going on?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I think it was just the actual messages that were coming through for writing this because I'm like, I would never say this. Like, for example, let's take the dear father as an example. Yeah. Like, I have never expressed this to my father. I have no intent of expressing it, but now it's in a book that I can just give to him and be like, hey, here.

SPEAKER_01:

And is that your real feelings, like in the book, like towards your father, your mother, your inner child? Like, is this part of you? Like you're you're bearing part of your soul to all of us, aren't you? That's like scary as hell, girl. Like, I can't even imagine like how you are feeling with all of that. Especially, you know, it's come out, it it's it's starting to get out there in the world. What does that feel like to be seen this way?

SPEAKER_00:

Different. It feels different to be seen this way because it's a lot of vulnerable stuff. But again, this is my own journey, and this is why I chose this subtitle for the reason that I did Poems of Healing, Honesty, and Coming Home. So that coming home part is why the chapters are the way that they are, because they're like if anyone benefits from this book, it's already been me. So now it's just it just gets to be a beautiful gift and just something I get to now share. And I'm really excited because I have not exposed myself exposed. I don't know if that's the right word to use, but that's how I feel is I have not put myself out there.

SPEAKER_01:

I think exposed is a great word for that. Writing a book is so much more intensive than I ever expected. Like I just thought, and again, this is we come from two different like spaces in terms of our writing. Yours is poetry and and art and beauty and like parts of your soul. And mine is a little bit of my coaching, a how-to, you know, all these things. But as I was writing it, the advice I kept getting was like, Jen, you need to make it more personal. Like, you need to put yourself into this book. And I was like, I it's weird because like I'm an open book, like I'll share my stories all the time. But all of a sudden, putting it down in words, it felt different than just speaking it out loud. I could share my story on stage. I can talk about my heartbreak. I can talk about being pantless and chugging white claws all day, every day. But all of a sudden now it's in written word, and I'm like, oh shit, hold up. This is like a different vibe. There was this one beautiful poem. I wanted to grab it from your book. Is would it be okay if I shared it? That I if I read it? Yes. Okay. Yes. It's stunning. I forget which part it's from. I have to check, but it's on page, I think, 100. But it says, oh, it's so good. It's just so good. It says, I forgive him. So the chains end here. His story does not need to be mine. I bless his path. I bless my own. Together we walk lighter. Like I'm gonna like start crying again if I read that. Like, that's so freaking powerful. When you're coming up with these poems, that they're stunningly beautiful, and they're just so just they're almost like in your face, simple, if that makes any sense. It's like it took my breath away. Talk me through what that's like for you, even hearing me say that out loud.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you. This conversation is so enlightening, and if the audience that is watching this, like Jen, we're so grateful for you. I really like the a lot of the feedback that I initially had received was, and this is also just from me as well. Me giving my own self-feedback was to add more of like scenery to be a little bit more because you're right, these poems are direct, they are, you know, sort of meant to put simple things that we maybe take for granted into a deeper perspective. That's how I have healed through even writing this. Is each word, yes, there are sometimes can be like deep messages and deep things might come up, but overall it's meant to be like affirmations. So you go on this journey, you end with that healing, you end with honesty, you end with coming home to yourself. I hope.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, that's that's my absolutely putting that out there, and that's that's really the goal that I see as you're writing this. And something that I talk about with my women a lot is we talk about attachment styles, and attachment styles are essentially just the way that we formed to attach to our caregivers in early childhood before we could even walk or speak, all of that stuff. And so with attachment styles comes our determination of how our romantic relationships will be later on in life. And one of the interesting parts here is why I wanted to have you on, is because you talk about the father, you talk about the mother, you talk about the inner child. This book is just like a walking invitation to heal your attachment style. Some of the stuff that you say, especially within like the mother chapter, it is just stunningly beautiful to be able to get some of those out because it's sometimes things that we feel like we can't say out loud. And that part is so, so difficult. And so as I'm reading through them again, I'm like, this is healing a part of myself. And I wanted to ask you in your life and your relationships, what has it been like for you in the past? Have you had to go through any heartbreaks or healing or anything that the listeners would resonate with?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, many heartbreaks, many heartbreaks, many losses, many things that were kind of lost due to traumas. So that in itself, like reflecting on especially the inner child part, I had a chance to sit down and like even though I've been doing this work for the past five, six years when I really understood like the meaning of healing, I think that word, and I would love your opinion on this too, but I think that word has kind of lost its meaning, but it's still a beautiful word, healing. Healing though is not always I think this is why it's kind of lost its meaning because sometimes we don't want to do that hard stuff, which is having those hard conversations, setting boundaries, treating yourself with respect. And these things, like we've kind of lost them, and we kind of just want to get to that healed version of ourselves, and we are there. Like, that's another thing that I say. Like, we're already healed, you know, we're kind of just remembering certain parts of ourselves that we left behind, we maybe are neglecting, we've forgotten about. So we're just calling those parts back to ourselves and saying, okay, you're welcomed here, you're loved here, and it's safe to be here. And that safety is why I started with the mother, yes, the physical mother, but also, you know, if we take a step back, like the spiritual mother, the energetic mother, the feminine, healing that, healing the feminine. So we do start the journey with the physical mother because I think if you can do that, if you can learn how to, you know, communicate with your mother in a way that maybe doesn't feel so triggering if you have a difficult relationship with her. So these are sort of the things that I'm working on.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and you can see that through the book. One last poem that I wanted to share was one in your inner child section, which I thought was really beautiful and really spoke to me. But it was, and I think it's on page 169, but it says, Dear inner child, they called you conceited when all you were was sunlight. I will never bow to that. Your light was never arrogance, it was truth, and it scared them. I choose to honor your path, not apologize for the light that reminds them of their shadows. Just mic drop right there. Like, are you kidding me? Like, I just that's it. I just want to like listen to you read your poems all the time. Like, I can't wait for your audiobook so I can fall asleep to it at night. Because it's just so, so beautiful. And Navri, thank you so much for coming on the show today. Can you tell us a little bit more about where we can find your book? Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, the book is available on Amazon. So Amazon, and I also have the link in my bio on Instagram.

SPEAKER_01:

Perfect. And I'll be sure to put the link in the show notes as well. Well, I'm gonna put the link for the book in the show notes again. It's called If My Heart Could Talk. You can get on Amazon in Canada, America, or wherever it is that you are. I'll stick one of both links. And then yes, Navrit is on Instagram and she has this beautiful, beautiful page on Instagram that's so inspirational. What is your handle on Instagram, Navrit? Yeah, it's just my name with a dot in the middle. So Navrit.pabla. Navrit.pabla. So that's n-a-v-r-e-e-t.pabla P-A-B-L-A. Again, I'll put that in the show notes too, but it's a really beautiful Instagram where she goes on there a lot and she'll go on there live or she'll go on there in video reels, but she also just has beautiful poetry and her quotes and all these things. And it's just, you know, I just for me, I like to be uplifted when I'm on Instagram. So I just really enjoy your page a lot. I think it's beautiful. But as we're wrapping up today, is there anything else that you just want? There's a woman right there now, and she's listening to the podcast, and she's like feeling your poems, she's feeling you, she's feeling you energetically, she loves your vibe. What would you want to tell her?

SPEAKER_00:

It can be a lot, and I would just say you are doing enough, you are exactly where you're meant to be in this moment. So if you're just feeling rushed, if you feel like you have somewhere to get to, and if you don't even know where that getting to is, I would say start focusing on your why. Like that, this is something I have been screaming lately, because especially for me, it's very easy to focus on things that are not you know helpful for me and my growth. And so thank you for sharing that inner child poem because it's so relevant and focusing more on the light and focusing more on what I want to create, what I want to share. And this book is kind of the stepping stone into that.

SPEAKER_01:

That's beautiful. Yeah. So that's good. You're telling them focus on your why. I mean, that's such a good important lesson. Why is it that we're doing this? So people come to me and they're like, hey, you know, I want to heal my attachment, I want to get a better relationship. But like, why? That's such a good, what's your intention, right? What do you want to focus on? What brings you joy? What brings you light? What's gonna fill you back up again? Like, don't just focus on, I need to heal because I'm broken, because you're not broken, right? Like none of us are broken. We we might have these parts in us, like as you said earlier, that maybe they feel hurt or they feel sad or they weren't loved enough as a child, but that doesn't mean we can't start loving them today. And that's really what I would just love to make sure that anyone listening could really hear through all of this is that you're not broken. All right, Navri, why don't you send us off? Wait, I want you to pull a card for the listeners. Can we do that? Yes. Let's shuffle, let's pull a card for everyone listening right now. This is for your energies. I want to pull one and see what we want to end this with. What did everyone out there need to know today?

SPEAKER_00:

This is exciting because this is my inner child deck. So I think we ended beautifully with the inner child. So yeah, let's see if there's any messages for the one glistening for the inner cows.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm sending my energy towards you as well.

SPEAKER_00:

I cannot wait for your oracle decks.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, I can't wait for it to, yeah. I have all these affirmations and somatic processes on them. I think it'll be really cool. Well, as Navreed is shuffling, I just want to remind you guys. This is good. You take your time, girl. Keep shuffling. As Navreed is shuffling, I'm gonna remind you guys to go and join the free Facebook community, Speak Honest. Did one pop out? No, okay, we're still going. Nope, we're still going. Okay, no, it's good. I'll wait till you hold it up. I'm gonna I'll wait till you hold it up. So go join the free Facebook community, Speak Honest, and be able to come in there. Tell us what you think about this card that I think just popped out if I saw it. All right, go on.

SPEAKER_00:

It's so relevant, and even the card taking long is symbolic in itself. I always take that as like slow down. And the card we have is practice freedom, release the weight of judgment.

SPEAKER_01:

Practice freedom, release the weight of judgment. Oh, that's huge. I love that so much. Oh, thank you. So practice freedom, release the weight of judgment. I feel like you pulled that specifically for me, so thank you. That's why the message took longer. I was focusing on the collective. Yeah, I think that we're in this together with me and my ladies, and we're that's something that we've all been struggling with a lot in my relationship reboot program that you guys can come and join at any time. In the relationship reboot program, we work through the 12 steps in order to heal your attachment style. And right now, there seems to be a big theme where the women they just feel trapped right now. And so I really feel like you pulled that for all of us, and we're just feeling trapped, we're feeling weighed down. I I know, especially here in the States, the state of the world right now is really difficult for women. And it's just like all of this stuff is going on. So that car just felt so beautiful and so needed right now. So thank you so much. And again, everyone, go check out Neveret's book on Amazon while you're there. You can also go check out my book, Dance of Attachment, if it's out. If not, go to danceofattachment.com. It will be coming out in October. And I hope to see you all in LA if you're able to make it out to my book launch party out there. And for anyone else that's out there listening, just remember be free, be yourself. You know, you are the light. You are chosen, you are sunlight, you are beautiful, you are not broken. And I hope that you all have a beautiful day. Never, thank you so much for coming on, and I hope you have a beautiful day.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you so much. Take care. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01:

Bye. As we wrap up today's conversation, always remember that healing is a journey, not a destination. And it is an honor to be a part of your healing journey. If you want to dig deeper into the topics we covered today, be sure to head over to our show notes, where you can find all of the valuable information mentioned in today's episode right there. And please remember to rate, review, and subscribe if you enjoyed today's podcast. Your feedback means the world to us and helps others discover our podcast. Until next time, remember to speak up and speak on it.

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